| Whatever you're most comfortable doing is the best way to deal with your individual problems. Its not my intention to advocate the use of pesticides, just pointing out that in some instances its the best way to tackle a problem Frank
We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac
--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 12:24 PM
We are pretty much right on a water source. I live near a river and there is a stream that forms when it rains hard that runs right past the property. I guess I'll just stick with ripping it out tree by tree. It doesn't feel THAT futile. 8o) On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM, frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com> wrote: | I'm a Conservation contractor by profession so I can purchase straight Glyphosate in large quantities that is limited to the average homeowner and I work in very ecologically sensitive areas where the average homeowner doesn't so your use of Round up has minimal impact on the environment. As long as you read the label and stick to the manufacturers recommendations, you should be fine, just keep it away from any water source. If you choose to stay to a strict organic protocol and there is nothing wrong with that then you too can try the vinegar idea, just requires a little more effort. Frank
We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac --- On Thu, 3/29/12, Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 7:26 AM I know very little about herbicides... That being said. I truly was going to use actual Round Up because that is what you suggested so many times. So maybe from now on just don't say Round Up...for the benefit of us newbies who would then actually go out and buy Round Up. hahahahahaha.
I have a huge Ivy problem in the (public) woods near my house. I am slowly ripping it out, but I have thought from time to time of just finding a few big roots sytems and paint brushing on some Round up. I figured any "long" term damage would be mitigated by the even longer benefit of not having trees ripped down by ivy. Plus the leaves harbor mosquitoes and ticks.
-jamie
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:19 AM, frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com> wrote: | First of all, I don't use Round Up per say as it includes many harmful inert ingredients, I use Glyphosate which is the active ingredient in Round Up. Secondly there is no scientific evidence that Glyphosate has any negative impact on the soil or soil life as its used extensively by all natural area managers without any noticeable negative impacts. Glyphosate is a trans-location herbicide which only moves through plant tissue and is benign in the soil because it leaves no residue. Thirdly, Vinegar is very acidic and it will not outright kill any perennial weed, it will brown out the leaves in a few days but the stored energy in the roots will ensure a new set of leaves for the plant thus the reason why it must be reapplied several times until the roots have exhausted all its energy reserves but by doing so, it definitely has a negative impact on the soil and soil life as very little life can survive in such a acidic environment. Frank
We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac
--- On Thu, 3/29/12, firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 1:33 AM
You are using Round Up and still talking about staying away from invasives?
Hit it with Ag grade vinegar or (ehem) make sure that some mammal (yes, any mammal) in your household comes by and pees on it. Both of these will kill pretty much anything and leach away harmlessly afterwards. Round Up and other Glyphosate or Perchlorate-based herbicides will damage the soil matrix for over a decade and more.. If that doesn't work find a guy with a goat. Goats will eliminate PI/PO, even Kudzu, if you can find and remove the root or keep the goats over the spot until the root starves.
Yours, Pego
> We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.
> Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac
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