Re: [Native Gardening] (unknown)

 

It could be many things, Andreas.  Frank mentioned one of them.  It could also be: not enough sun, not enough shade, a soil Ph issue, a soil structure issue, not enough or too much water, disease, dormancy issues....it could be any one of these things, or the combination of a few. It may have been set back by being in a pot in the house.  You could research it via the internet, or speak to a tree expert in your area. 
 

 


From: frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com>
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 31, 2012 7:30:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] (unknown)

 

Late frost knocks off the flower buds

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--- On Fri, 3/30/12, Andreas Lenard <andreaslenard@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Andreas Lenard <andreaslenard@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Native Gardening] (unknown)
To: "nativegardening@yahoogroups.com" <nativegardening@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, March 30, 2012, 11:59 AM

 
Hi,
I have in my garden a Magnolia stelata tree. Its since 10 years there, after 2 years in a pot in the house. It is not flowering at all.
What can be the reason for this?
 
Andrei Lenard
tel 0040 -743-102300
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RO - 505400 Rasnov
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Re: [Native Gardening] Herbicides in the environment/ Re: A little perplexed.

 

Frank is right. Any community college environmental biology class teaches that it is fertiliser run off that causes the massive dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico.  And by the way...anything you use on your lawn or plants is a chemical.  There is no such thing as a non-chemical fertiliser or pesticide.  Even if it's vinegar. It's not so much the glyphosate that is harmful...it's the inert ingredients, one of which is a suspected carcinogen.  The thing is...is that the public can't buy straight glyphosate. We can't even buy it's big brother, Rodeo, which is safe for use near water.   

 


From: frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com>
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 31, 2012 7:49:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Herbicides in the environment/ Re: A little perplexed.

 

Those dead zones are the result of pollution due to fertilizer run off. Phosphorus which is a nutrient in all fertilizers, moves readily through the soil and into our storm water sewers where it eventually ends up in our waterways and here in the Midwest, the Mississippi river watershed. Phosphorus causes huge algae blooms which as it grows and then decomposes, absorbs oxygen in the water which kills not only fish but all other macroinvertabrae. Glyphosate is not a nutrient.
I'm not going to get in a debate over organic versus natural remedies for controlling weeds as if one can control weeds in their own yard without the use of chemicals, I say go for it but herbicides are an important tool in restoring habitats and ecosystems on a vast scale ( several acres ) besides the fact they're more efficient, cost effective and the means justifies the end result.
Frank 

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--- On Thu, 3/29/12, firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Native Gardening] Herbicides in the environment/ Re: A little perplexed.
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 1:12 PM

 
Monsanto is pretty notorious for "Gaming the system" on those tests, but in fact there HAVE been plenty of studies that it is not safe at all; http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/glyphosate.htm

It is also contributing to the rapid spread of organisms that are now Glyphosate-resistant and is showing a pretty strong connection, due to it's water solubility, to the dead zones in our gulfs and oceans. In spite of Monsanto's legal army and money the claims about it's environmental safety have been overturned in several courts here and overseas.

Yours, Pego

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Secondly there is no scientific evidence that Glyphosate has any negative impact on the soil or soil life as its used extensively by all natural area managers without any noticeable negative impacts.
> Frank

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[Native Gardening] Herbicides in the environment

 

I am rendered a little stunned that you affix the dead zones so conveniently on a solitary item but that is rather disingenuous. There is certainly no rational basis for an assumption like that. I certainly agree that they are *another* major contributing factor but it is just silly to say they are the only factor.

I am sorry that I have caused you to react with such discomfort, the use by professional conservationists is nothing like the tons by private users and Ag, but it is deliberate self-blindness to Glyphosates aren't a major issue.
http://toxics.usgs.gov/highlights/glyphosate02.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21128261

Yours, Pego

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>
> Those dead zones are the result of pollution due to fertilizer run off.
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Re: [Native Gardening] Digest Number 1591

 

thank you for this article.


On my own lawn the ivy stays pulled out and isn't a problem.  On the periphery of my lawn, and in these woods (which seems about 200 yards east to the river and extends quite a few miles to the south along the river. The ivy is only a problem at the edge of this neighborhood.i would love to stop it's spread before it gets all over the woods...which is why I've often though of just applying the herbicide. 

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Ecothinker <ecothink@comcast.net> wrote:
 

This article may shed some light on your herbicide dilemma. http://www.for-wild.org/download/roundupmyth.pdf

 

 

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Subject: [Native Gardening] Digest Number 1591

 

Messages In This Digest (3 Messages)

1a.

Re: A little perplexed. From: Benia

1b.

Re: A little perplexed. From: Jamie Warner-Portale

2a.

Herbicides in the environment/ Re: A little perplexed. From: firekeeper38

Messages

1a.

Re: A little perplexed.

Posted by: "Benia" xsarenkax@yahoo.com   xsarenkax

Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:02 am (PDT)



All this fuss is so unnecessary.  My herbicide is my hands.  I pull and there is no harm to the environment.  I know those working with acres of land don't have this luxury, but if you have a small area, keep pulling by hand and be guilt-free.  Some harm is still harm.

Benia
Bartlett, IL

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From: frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com>
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.


 
I'm a Conservation contractor by profession so I can purchase straight Glyphosate in large quantities that is limited to the average homeowner and I work in very ecologically sensitive areas where the average homeowner doesn't so your use of Round up has minimal impact on the environment. As long as you read the label and stick to the manufacturers recommendations, you should be fine, just keep it away from any water source. If you choose to stay to a strict organic protocol and there is nothing wrong with that then you too can try the vinegar idea, just requires a little more effort.
Frank

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--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com> wrote:

>From: Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
>To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 7:26 AM
>
>

>I know very little about herbicides...
>That being said. I truly was going to use actual Round Up because that is what you suggested so many times.  So maybe from now on just don't say Round Up...for the benefit of us newbies who would then actually go out and buy Round Up. hahahahahaha.
>
>
> I have a huge Ivy problem in the (public) woods near my house.  I am slowly ripping it out, but I have thought from time to time of just finding a few big roots sytems and paint brushing on some Round up.  I figured any "long" term damage would be mitigated by the even longer benefit of not having trees ripped down by ivy.  Plus the leaves harbor mosquitoes and ticks.
>
>
>-jamie
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:19 AM, frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> 
>>First of all, I don't use Round Up per say as it includes many harmful inert ingredients, I use Glyphosate which is the active ingredient in Round Up. Secondly there is no scientific evidence that Glyphosate has any negative impact on the soil or soil life as its used extensively by all natural area managers without any noticeable negative impacts. Glyphosate is a trans-location herbicide which only moves through plant tissue and is benign in the soil because it leaves no residue. Thirdly, Vinegar is very acidic and it will not outright kill any perennial weed, it will brown out the leaves in a few days but the stored energy in the roots will ensure a new set of leaves for the plant thus the reason why it must be reapplied several times until the roots have exhausted all its energy reserves but by doing so, it definitely has a negative impact on the soil and soil life as very little life can survive in such a acidic environment.
>>Frank
>>
>>
>>We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.
>>Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac
>>
>>--- On Thu, 3/29/12, firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
>>>To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
>>>Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 1:33 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>You are using Round Up and still talking about staying away from invasives?
>>>
>>>Hit it with Ag grade vinegar or (ehem) make sure that some mammal (yes, any mammal) in your household comes by and pees on it. Both of these will kill pretty much anything and leach away harmlessly afterwards. Round Up and other Glyphosate or Perchlorate-based herbicides will damage the soil matrix for over a decade and more.. If that doesn't work find a guy with a goat. Goats will eliminate PI/PO, even Kudzu, if you can find and remove the root or keep the goats over the spot until the root starves.
>>>
>>>Yours, Pego
>>>
>>>> We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.
>>>> Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac
>>>
>>>
>

1b.

Re: A little perplexed.

Posted by: "Jamie Warner-Portale" jamiewarner1010@gmail.com   jammawanna

Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:24 am (PDT)



We are pretty much right on a water source. I live near a river and there
is a stream that forms when it rains hard that runs right past the
property. I guess I'll just stick with ripping it out tree by tree. It
doesn't feel THAT futile. 8o)

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM, frank lawrence
<naturalimages11@yahoo.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> I'm a Conservation contractor by profession so I can purchase straight
> Glyphosate in large quantities that is limited to the average homeowner and
> I work in very ecologically sensitive areas where the average homeowner
> doesn't so your use of Round up has minimal impact on the environment. As
> long as you read the label and stick to the manufacturers recommendations,
> you should be fine, just keep it away from any water source. If you choose
> to stay to a strict organic protocol and there is nothing wrong with that
> then you too can try the vinegar idea, just requires a little more effort.
> Frank
>
> We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us.
> When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it
> with love and respect.
> Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/29/12, Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com>*wrote:
>
>
> From: Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
> To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 7:26 AM
>
>
>
> I know very little about herbicides...
> That being said. I truly was going to use actual Round Up because that is
> what you suggested so many times. So maybe from now on just don't say
> Round Up...for the benefit of us newbies who would then actually go out and
> buy Round Up. hahahahahaha.
>
> I have a huge Ivy problem in the (public) woods near my house. I am
> slowly ripping it out, but I have thought from time to time of just finding
> a few big roots sytems and paint brushing on some Round up. I figured any
> "long" term damage would be mitigated by the even longer benefit of not
> having trees ripped down by ivy. Plus the leaves harbor mosquitoes and
> ticks.
>
> -jamie
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:19 AM, frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1614.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naturalimages11@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> **
>
> First of all, I don't use Round Up per say as it includes many
> harmful inert ingredients, I use Glyphosate which is the active ingredient
> in Round Up. Secondly there is no scientific evidence that Glyphosate has
> any negative impact on the soil or soil life as its used extensively by all
> natural area managers without any noticeable negative impacts. Glyphosate
> is a trans-location herbicide which only moves through plant tissue and is
> benign in the soil because it leaves no residue. Thirdly, Vinegar is very
> acidic and it will not outright kill any perennial weed, it will brown out
> the leaves in a few days but the stored energy in the roots will ensure a
> new set of leaves for the plant thus the reason why it must be reapplied
> several times until the roots have exhausted all its energy reserves but by
> doing so, it definitely has a negative impact on the soil and soil life as
> very little life can survive in such a acidic environment.
> Frank
>
> We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us.
> When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it
> with love and respect.
> Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/29/12, firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1614.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=firekeeper38@yahoo.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1614.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=firekeeper38@yahoo.com>
> >
> Subject: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
> To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1614.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nativegardening@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 1:33 AM
>
>
> You are using Round Up and still talking about staying away from invasives?
>
> Hit it with Ag grade vinegar or (ehem) make sure that some mammal (yes,
> any mammal) in your household comes by and pees on it. Both of these will
> kill pretty much anything and leach away harmlessly afterwards. Round Up
> and other Glyphosate or Perchlorate-based herbicides will damage the soil
> matrix for over a decade and more.. If that doesn't work find a guy with a
> goat. Goats will eliminate PI/PO, even Kudzu, if you can find and remove
> the root or keep the goats over the spot until the root starves.
>
> Yours, Pego
>
> > We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us.
> When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it
> with love and respect.
> > Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac
>
>
>
>

2a.

Herbicides in the environment/ Re: A little perplexed.

Posted by: "firekeeper38" firekeeper38@yahoo.com   firekeeper38

Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:12 am (PDT)



Monsanto is pretty notorious for "Gaming the system" on those tests, but in fact there HAVE been plenty of studies that it is not safe at all; http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/glyphosate.htm

It is also contributing to the rapid spread of organisms that are now Glyphosate-resistant and is showing a pretty strong connection, due to it's water solubility, to the dead zones in our gulfs and oceans. In spite of Monsanto's legal army and money the claims about it's environmental safety have been overturned in several courts here and overseas.

Yours, Pego

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Secondly there is no scientific evidence that Glyphosate has any negative impact on the soil or soil life as its used extensively by all natural area managers without any noticeable negative impacts.
> Frank

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Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.

 

Hands work great if you have the time to use them

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--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Benia <xsarenkax@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Benia <xsarenkax@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
To: "nativegardening@yahoogroups.com" <nativegardening@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 10:02 AM

 
All this fuss is so unnecessary.  My herbicide is my hands.  I pull and there is no harm to the environment.  I know those working with acres of land don't have this luxury, but if you have a small area, keep pulling by hand and be guilt-free.  Some harm is still harm.

Benia
Bartlett, IL


From: frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com>
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.

 
I'm a Conservation contractor by profession so I can purchase straight Glyphosate in large quantities that is limited to the average homeowner and I work in very ecologically sensitive areas where the average homeowner doesn't so your use of Round up has minimal impact on the environment. As long as you read the label and stick to the manufacturers recommendations, you should be fine, just keep it away from any water source. If you choose to stay to a strict organic protocol and there is nothing wrong with that then you too can try the vinegar idea, just requires a little more effort.
Frank

We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.
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--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 7:26 AM

 
I know very little about herbicides...
That being said. I truly was going to use actual Round Up because that is what you suggested so many times.  So maybe from now on just don't say Round Up...for the benefit of us newbies who would then actually go out and buy Round Up. hahahahahaha.

 I have a huge Ivy problem in the (public) woods near my house.  I am slowly ripping it out, but I have thought from time to time of just finding a few big roots sytems and paint brushing on some Round up.  I figured any "long" term damage would be mitigated by the even longer benefit of not having trees ripped down by ivy.  Plus the leaves harbor mosquitoes and ticks.

-jamie


On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:19 AM, frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
First of all, I don't use Round Up per say as it includes many harmful inert ingredients, I use Glyphosate which is the active ingredient in Round Up. Secondly there is no scientific evidence that Glyphosate has any negative impact on the soil or soil life as its used extensively by all natural area managers without any noticeable negative impacts. Glyphosate is a trans-location herbicide which only moves through plant tissue and is benign in the soil because it leaves no residue. Thirdly, Vinegar is very acidic and it will not outright kill any perennial weed, it will brown out the leaves in a few days but the stored energy in the roots will ensure a new set of leaves for the plant thus the reason why it must be reapplied several times until the roots have exhausted all its energy reserves but by doing so, it definitely has a negative impact on the soil and soil life as very little life can survive in such a acidic environment.
Frank

We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.
Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac


--- On Thu, 3/29/12, firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 1:33 AM

 
You are using Round Up and still talking about staying away from invasives?

Hit it with Ag grade vinegar or (ehem) make sure that some mammal (yes, any mammal) in your household comes by and pees on it. Both of these will kill pretty much anything and leach away harmlessly afterwards. Round Up and other Glyphosate or Perchlorate-based herbicides will damage the soil matrix for over a decade and more.. If that doesn't work find a guy with a goat. Goats will eliminate PI/PO, even Kudzu, if you can find and remove the root or keep the goats over the spot until the root starves.

Yours, Pego

> We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.
> Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac




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[machine_needle_felting] all these terms!

 

It would really be helpful to have a list of definitions in one place -
exactly what are "tops", "nepps", "roving", etc, with a brief
description of what they might be best used for.

Wyoma

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Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.

 

Whatever you're most comfortable doing is the best way to deal with your individual problems. Its not my intention to advocate the use of pesticides, just pointing out that in some instances its the best way to tackle a problem
Frank

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--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 12:24 PM

 
We are pretty much right on a water source. I live near a river and there is a stream that forms when it rains hard that runs right past the property.  I guess I'll just stick with ripping it out tree by tree. It doesn't feel THAT futile.  8o)

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM, frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I'm a Conservation contractor by profession so I can purchase straight Glyphosate in large quantities that is limited to the average homeowner and I work in very ecologically sensitive areas where the average homeowner doesn't so your use of Round up has minimal impact on the environment. As long as you read the label and stick to the manufacturers recommendations, you should be fine, just keep it away from any water source. If you choose to stay to a strict organic protocol and there is nothing wrong with that then you too can try the vinegar idea, just requires a little more effort.
Frank

We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.
Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac


--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jamie Warner-Portale <jamiewarner1010@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 7:26 AM


 
I know very little about herbicides...
That being said. I truly was going to use actual Round Up because that is what you suggested so many times.  So maybe from now on just don't say Round Up...for the benefit of us newbies who would then actually go out and buy Round Up. hahahahahaha.

 I have a huge Ivy problem in the (public) woods near my house.  I am slowly ripping it out, but I have thought from time to time of just finding a few big roots sytems and paint brushing on some Round up.  I figured any "long" term damage would be mitigated by the even longer benefit of not having trees ripped down by ivy.  Plus the leaves harbor mosquitoes and ticks.

-jamie


On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:19 AM, frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
First of all, I don't use Round Up per say as it includes many harmful inert ingredients, I use Glyphosate which is the active ingredient in Round Up. Secondly there is no scientific evidence that Glyphosate has any negative impact on the soil or soil life as its used extensively by all natural area managers without any noticeable negative impacts. Glyphosate is a trans-location herbicide which only moves through plant tissue and is benign in the soil because it leaves no residue. Thirdly, Vinegar is very acidic and it will not outright kill any perennial weed, it will brown out the leaves in a few days but the stored energy in the roots will ensure a new set of leaves for the plant thus the reason why it must be reapplied several times until the roots have exhausted all its energy reserves but by doing so, it definitely has a negative impact on the soil and soil life as very little life can survive in such a acidic environment.
Frank

We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.
Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac


--- On Thu, 3/29/12, firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Native Gardening] Re: A little perplexed.
To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 1:33 AM

 
You are using Round Up and still talking about staying away from invasives?

Hit it with Ag grade vinegar or (ehem) make sure that some mammal (yes, any mammal) in your household comes by and pees on it. Both of these will kill pretty much anything and leach away harmlessly afterwards. Round Up and other Glyphosate or Perchlorate-based herbicides will damage the soil matrix for over a decade and more.. If that doesn't work find a guy with a goat. Goats will eliminate PI/PO, even Kudzu, if you can find and remove the root or keep the goats over the spot until the root starves.

Yours, Pego

> We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect.
> Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac



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