Re: [Native Gardening] [PA_wildflowers] periwinkle

 

Sounds like a good step-by-step thing to begin right about now.

Thanks again. If you don't hear from me in the spring, it will probably mean the periwinkle is tougher than I am, and got me before I could get it. ;-)

Kathleen Domenig

State College, Pennsylvania

USA

On Nov 13, 2011, at 8:59 AM, frank lawrence wrote:

 

You can try smothering it with some old carpet or solarizing the patch with clear plastic...both options work pretty well but will take 2 to3 months to really work the best We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac --- On Sat, 11/12/11, Kathleen Domenig <kmdomenig@mindspring.com> wrote: From: Kathleen Domenig <kmdomenig@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] [PA_wildflowers] periwinkle To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 8:25 AM   Well, I guess I'll try the digging for awhile longer. Trouble is, it's on a bank that's kinda hard to crawl around on without damage to life or limb. If that still seems ineffective, I'll try the Roundup during the winter, as Frank suggests, when the rest of the plants around them will be dormant.  The chipmunks will be hibernating then, so if it doesn't do them any harm underground, that's taken care of. And maybe a bit of Deer Repel to ward off the neighborhood cats.  I try to ward the cats off anyway, to protect the birds and chipmunks, but my main strategy there is fear and domination. (I have convinced them that I am the biggest, meanest cat in the neighborhood, and that these are my chipmunks.) Thanks for all the suggestions--I appreciate the help. I'll report back on my progress in the spring.   Kathleen Domenig State College, Pennsylvania USA On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:27 AM, frank lawrence wrote:   Of all the chemicals for garden or home, it is by far the least toxic....hell that can of Raid on your shelf is more toxic then round up   We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac --- On Fri, 11/11/11, April Hughes <ahughes798@ameritech.net> wrote: From: April Hughes <ahughes798@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] [PA_wildflowers] periwinkle To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 8:23 PM   you are right. After 24 hours, Round-up is pretty much degraded to harmlessness.   "I used to smoke marijuana. But I'll tell you something: I would only smoke it in the late evening. Oh, occasionally the early evening, but usually the late evening - or the mid-evening. Just the early evening, mid-evening and late evening. Occasionally, early afternoon, early mid-afternoon, or perhaps the late-mid-afternoon. Oh, sometimes the early-mid-late-early morning. . . But never at dusk."  Steve Martin   From: frank lawrence <naturalimages11@yahoo.com> To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:45:35 PM Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] [PA_wildflowers] periwinkle   I still don't think its something they should be playing in or licking up We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac --- On Fri, 11/11/11, April Hughes <ahughes798@ameritech.net> wrote: From: April Hughes <ahughes798@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] [PA_wildflowers] periwinkle To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 7:17 PM   Round up is considered safe for mammals.    "I used to smoke marijuana. But I'll tell you something: I would only smoke it in the late evening. Oh, occasionally the early evening, but usually the late evening - or the mid-evening. Just the early evening, mid-evening and late evening. Occasionally, early afternoon, early mid-afternoon, or perhaps the late-mid-afternoon. Oh, sometimes the early-mid-late-early morning. . . But never at dusk."  Steve Martin   From: Kathleen Domenig <kmdomenig@mindspring.com> To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 12:39:03 PM Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] [PA_wildflowers] periwinkle   What about wildlife? Squirrels, chipmunks? There is a goodly colony of chipmunks in the bank. I'm fond of those chipmunks, and wouldn't want to harm them. (I do have a few cross words for voles, from time to time.) Kathleen Domenig State College, Pennsylvania USA On Nov 11, 2011, at 3:29 PM, frank lawrence wrote:   Just go with the stronger formulation I suggested and do on a day where the temps are at around 50 degrees as below that, the stomatoes will be closed...also keep the spray away from any water source as Round Up will kill amphibians We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac --- On Fri, 11/11/11, Kathleen Domenig <kmdomenig@mindspring.com> wrote: From: Kathleen Domenig <kmdomenig@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] [PA_wildflowers] periwinkle To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 10:15 AM   That's good to hear. I've used it in very isolated instances before, but never for a big patch like this. Many thanks. Kathleen Domenig State College, Pennsylvania USA On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:26 AM, frank lawrence wrote:   That is correct. Round up is translocated through leaves and has no effect on soil We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac --- On Thu, 11/10/11, Kathleen Domenig <kmdomenig@mindspring.com> wrote: From: Kathleen Domenig <kmdomenig@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Native Gardening] [PA_wildflowers] periwinkle To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 5:48 PM   Oh, excellent point. Because it's evergreen, and the vegetation around it is not, it will only affect the vinca. Is that right? Kathleen Domenig State College, Pennsylvania USA On Nov 10, 2011, at 4:56 PM, frank lawrence wrote:   Its evergreen so you can spray it with Round Up in the winter when everything else is dormant. Mix your own formulation from concentrate, a 30% Round up to 70% water should do the trick....best to do it in late winter on a clear day in the 50's We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect. Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac --- On Wed, 11/9/11, Kathleen Domenig <kmdomenig@mindspring.com> wrote: From: Kathleen Domenig <kmdomenig@mindspring.com> Subject: [Native Gardening] [PA_wildflowers] periwinkle To: nativegardening@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 12:54 PM     In the midst of leaf raking today, I discovered that a patch of periwinkle (vinca minor, I think) has spread a great deal over the past summer and now clearly aspires to world domination.  It was here when we bought the house, sixteen years ago, and to date it seemed willing to stay put, with a little discipline, lo these many years. Clearly, that's no longer the case. Does anyone have any suggestions for the best or most effective way to contain it or get rid of it? Today I was pulling it out in great handfuls, but (a) it's a tough little so-and-so, and doesn't come easily and (b) I can see that I'm leaving a great deal behind. Do I need to get in and hoe it out? I hate to get too destructive with the soil, especially because there are natives in the same bed. When I am down to bare soil--which looks like where it's all going--is there a native that I could plant that might be especially good at suppressing the rogue vinca? It's a shady bank, so asarum canadense seems one possibility--it does spread and cover the ground so nicely. What else might be good? Kathleen Domenig State College, Pennsylvania USA

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